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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go When is the last time any big deal in this country was stopped or even seriously hampered by regulators? | |
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| Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go said by Karl Bode  :When is the last time any big deal in this country was stopped or even seriously hampered by regulators? I can think of a couple railroad mergers(CSX/Conrail was one) stopped by regulators. And Worldcom/Sprint merger was denied by DOJ in 2000 and the parties gave up rather fight DOJ in court. | |
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go which with MCI/WorldCom came their fall. | |
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Blue Rock, OH
| Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go Look who owns MCI/Worldcom now: Verizon. The reason why I am commenting on the CSX/Conrail merger was it was way more complicated than most think it was. I wont go into much detail on it here this is not the place for it but it amost bankrupted CSX and NS. I work for CSX and we went through some rocky times for a couple of years after it. | |
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| Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go And look what VZ is doing to those Residential customers that had the MCI Unlimited Neighborhood- selling them off. Hell i'd be suprised if one still has that plan from when MCI first rolled it out. They were one of the first Telco's to offer unlimited unlimited for $49.99 and then came ATT and VZ after they lost their asses on that. | |
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join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV | if west virginia approves after i have the whole state capital in an uproar over the merger i will be really upset plus i will cancel verizon and switch back to comcast or dish. | |
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go and just how do you plan to have the entire state capital in an uproar? I'm sure they don't care about you. | |
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join:2006-09-18
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| Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcy Verizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea.
Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. THEN the state government can start up their own MUNI networks, with ALL the assets for FREE. I guarantee you, even with the inefficiencies of a muni, they would provide MUCH better services at MUCH lower prices if they could start off with a FREE infrastructure. If that happens, then EVERYONE WINS (except the fat cats at verizon and the shareholders. Oh, noo... boo hoos for them)
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| Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcy said by karlmarx :Verizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea. Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. T You already proposed that ridiculous idea once today. Maybe CUBA or Venezuela would do it, but not any rational gov't not ruled by a dictator.
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| said by karlmarx :Verizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea. Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. THEN the state government can start up their own MUNI networks, with ALL the assets for FREE. I guarantee you, even with the inefficiencies of a muni, they would provide MUCH better services at MUCH lower prices if they could start off with a FREE infrastructure. If that happens, then EVERYONE WINS (except the fat cats at verizon and the shareholders. Oh, noo... boo hoos for them) we should also charge a 100% tax on all profits from fast food companies. Soon they will all be bankrupt and the government can get them for FREE and give us all cheap food. EVERYONE would win (except those that don't) | |
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join:2007-11-29
Glendale, AZ | You want the people who bring us deficits and big government to seize assets and provide service. Please tell me you are joking. If not, show me one government program that is successful and within its original budget. | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| I think we should steal all of YOUR property. Surely there's some ridiculous way we can try to justify it. And then EVERYONE WINS. (Except for you, I guess, but I'll just cast you off as a "fat cat" or something so we can ignore any of your complaints) | |
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| I have a better idea. Require that the money paid to Verizon go into an escrow account for one year. If by the end of that year Frontier has not declared Bankruptcy, the money gets released to Verizon. Otherwise it gets paid to Frontier [with the debt being handed back to Verizon] or goes into the Bankruptcy Assets Account. Verizon wants to play accounting games to offload the debt, they should be at risk if the offloading fails. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcy A couple of even better ideas. Regulators stand up and disapprove mergers if the deal(s) really are destined to fail. Change the tax laws that allow tax efficient transfers of assets if they actually are bad for business.
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join:1999-12-08
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| Re: Of COURSE it's going to end up in bankruptcy said by openbox9 :A couple of even better ideas. Regulators stand up and disapprove mergers if the deal(s) really are destined to fail. Change the tax laws that allow tax efficient transfers of assets if they actually are bad for business. Don't blame VZ for effectively conducting business. Since it is the Federal Tax laws that allow Verizon to pull this scam, it is out of the hands of the Local (ie: State) Regulators to change the Tax Laws. OTOH: They DO have the authority to set ground rules (such as my escrowing of the money) for allowing the deal to be approved. | |
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join:2005-06-03
Bedford, MA
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| Apparently the regulators didn't pay attention to Fairpoint in Maine. This will end up exactly the same; terrible service, higher prices, and huge debt loads. Verizon uses loopholes in the law to dump the get huge tax concessions. And of course they slip a little something to the regulators, be in "donations" or hookers or drugs. | |
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
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| said by karlmarx :Verizon, of course, has PAID OFF THE REGULATORS. PERIOD. There is NO WAY in hell frontier can survive with $5 BILLION of new debt. I however, have a MUCH better idea. Carolina, California, and Nevada should change the 'pole tax' that verizon pays to $1000.00 per pole per year. That would make the value of verizon's investment in these states, umm, let's see. LESS THAN $0.00 Guess what, Verizon won't pay it. And guess what, the states can then SEIZE the assets to pay the back tax liabilityr. THEN the state government can start up their own MUNI networks, with ALL the assets for FREE. I guarantee you, even with the inefficiencies of a muni, they would provide MUCH better services at MUCH lower prices if they could start off with a FREE infrastructure. If that happens, then EVERYONE WINS (except the fat cats at verizon and the shareholders. Oh, noo... boo hoos for them) Wouldn't that affect all utilities and not just Verizon. And in the end would't people e paying astronomical electric rates because of that? Sine the pole tax would be passed down from the electric company to the customers. | |
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clubs: | oh god no... California, Nevada and South Carolina ok huge sale.
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East Providence, RI | Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLine Ian that is a very real solution, there is alot of empty copper out there | |
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clubs: | Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLine Andthus will never happen, as it makes sence, and commone sence a telcos dont mix RE:AT&T u-Verse | |
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Golden, CO | Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLine But they sometimes do mix RE:VZ FiOS. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLine That's the problem with a publicly held company. If you don't like it, start a cooperative. That's what plenty of areas in Texas did... | |
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Jamaica, NY | You think they will pay for the DSLAM firmware to do that? lol | |
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Golden, CO | Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLine One can only hope... | |
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Grove City, PA | But Ann M only goes up to 3Mb up? | |
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Golden, CO | Re: Bonded ADSL2+ Annex M with AdrenaLine That's why I said bonded. Real-world speeds on Annex M are ~2.5 Mbps. | |
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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | Pathetic All the outrage about government bailouts for companies, but wheres the rage about tax evasion | |
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Norwich, CT | Re: Pathetic its not tax evasion if Verizon gets the buying company to pay it for them. | |
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join:2005-01-27
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| Re: Pathetic How about the tax burden on:
-Reverse Morris tax penalties forgiven (lost revenue as Verizon bails out)
-Lost revenues to layoffs (NE market lost ALOT of Verizon folks long after states were promised "new jobs", ratables and other expectations
-unemployment burden to local government tax base
-Bankruptcy claims that ultimately hit the taxpayer (using up federal and judicial resources to benefit not you or I) ... Does Fairpoint have to pay taxes if its Chapter 11?
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Alexandria, VA | It's not tax evasion if the tax laws legally allow the transfer debt/assets during the sale  | |
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA | California What areas in CA? The northern half of our rural county of Mendocino is served by Verizon (formerly GTE, formerly Contel of CA).
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join:2002-12-04
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| Re: California SoCal, inland empire (most of Riverside County and S.B. County) is served by Vz. Fios is deployed there currently...
have no idea why Wz would want to get rid of the millions of customers in Ca. It sounds like they just want to be an East coast company, frankly... | |
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2 edits | Re: California said by jjeffeory :SoCal, inland empire (most of Riverside County and S.B. County) is served by Vz. Fios is deployed there currently... have no idea why Wz would want to get rid of the millions of customers in Ca. It sounds like they just want to be an East coast company, frankly... Yep, I know, I was born and raised in GTE Country (East San Gabriel Valley). Humboldt and Trinity Counties here in NorCal also have some Verizon (formerly GTE, formerly Contel of CA) served areas. The Verizon areas up here don't even have DSL, and in Mendocino County AT&T only has DSL in Ukiah, Willits and Fort Bragg, we don't have it with AT&T out here (Redwood Valley, about halfway between Ukiah and Willits), though we do have Comcast HSI.
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| said by jjeffeory :SoCal, inland empire (most of Riverside County and S.B. County) is served by Vz. Fios is deployed there currently... have no idea why Wz would want to get rid of the millions of customers in Ca. They aren't.
"...the transaction will include a small number of Verizon's exchanges in California, including those bordering Arizona, Nevada and Oregon." | |
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| Re: California said by elray :said by jjeffeory :SoCal, inland empire (most of Riverside County and S.B. County) is served by Vz. Fios is deployed there currently... have no idea why Wz would want to get rid of the millions of customers in Ca. They aren't. " ...the transaction will include a small number of Verizon's exchanges in California, including those bordering Arizona, Nevada and Oregon." The question is, which ones? I want to know what ones in NorCal are included.
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AdrenaLine gotta be better then Hughesnet right? RIGHT???
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join:2008-12-01
Santa Maria, CA | No Verizon In Santa Barbara county? Oh god comcast is gonna kick ass with no fios in our future. Currently where i live i have a choice of $33 a month 1.5 MBPS Dsl or 20 MBPS Cable Broadband for $66 a month. The choices lol | |
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join:2007-06-23
Somerville, MA
| It's not over till... Check out the new stop the sale website at:
»www.verizonfrontierdeal.org There are state specific links to Ohio and West Virginia.
We also have a cool Facebook page where partisans can join and get the latest updates and find links to radio and tv ads against the deal. There were 236 fans as of today!
»www.facebook.com/home.php?#/page···42456339
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join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
| Verizon Crack Snorting AuthoritiesThe Frontier deal, if it goes through will end up with Frontier filling for bankruptcy. Just like the others did. Anyone who thinks a company can take on an additional 2x-3x their current network and survive and be good for the consumer is brain dead. Oh sure Verizon and Frontier will paint a pretty picture of how they envision it working. But it is just a pipe dream to dupe authorities to give approvals. Just like they did with the others like Fairpoint, etc.
Bottom line:
It won't work and you don't need to spend another dime or waste another minute studying it or having hearings, etc. to know this; that it won't work. All you need is to let your two common sense brain cells be free of the Verizon and Frontier provided pipe dream crack you're snorting for a few seconds.
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| Re: Verizon Crack Snorting Authorities can someone explain to me why frontier would accept this deal if they would end up bankrupt i no the deal would make verizon the majority shareholder of frontier and also i beleive verizon is being forced to sell these assets do to anti trust laws can someone expand on this deal to me in some detail | |
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Three States Approve Frontier Verizon Deal
Deal still needs more approvals before it is a go
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